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I-1100 & I-1105: Privatizes liquor sales
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I-1100 & I-1105: Privatizes liquor sale

These measures would close all state liquor stores and license private parties to sell spirits. They approach it in different ways. Want to know more? Ask about it here to find out.

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  • Comment on lilzilla's answer…
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    Except if they can vote they should be able to have a drink. As it is in the majority of the world, let alone first world. The fact that there are two different sets of minors, U-18(your parents are responsible for you), and 18-20(you can competently murder someone, but god forbid you have a drink), is ridiculous.

    Any drinking age above the age of majority is simply fascist.

  • Comment on pamela erickson's answer…
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    Pamela: That helps me understand how the money is used. Thanks.

    The information Mr. Levitan sought was "gross revenue that the state brings in from WSLCB," and I don't think anyone here has said what that amount is. Can you tell us? Was the question phrased in such a manner that it's unlikely anyone can answer it? (In a followup question to Annie, he wrote, "Thanks for the data, but I am more specifically inquiring on the gross revenue that the state brings in from WSLCB.")

  • Comment on pamela erickson's answer…
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    I'm sorry for not being as clear as I could have been. The $360,000 is net revenue. The Liquor Board collects money from beer and wine taxes, license fees and net business income (gross sales minus the cost of the alcohol and minus expense of operating the warehouse, delivery and store operations). It also subtracts all other agency expenses such as enforcement, licensing and adminstrative operations. What is left is the $360 million. It goes to state government (about 60%), to cities and counties (about 19%), to Health Services (15%), education/prevention (6%) and 0.5% to research. Does that help your understanding of what the money goes for?

  • Comment on pamela erickson's answer…
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    Pamela, I and likely others hope to see this answer phrased in terms someone without bookkeeping experience is likely to understand. Is the amount WLCB says they provided to state and local governments "gross revenue that the state brings in from WSLCB"?

    Mr. Levitan and I could go look on their Web site or go look any of a number of other places, but instead, Mr. Levitan posed his question here in hopes that someone would answer it. Can you answer it? Is it phrased in such a manner that no one can answer it?

  • Comment on pamela erickson's answer…
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    According to the Washington Liquor Board, they provided over $360 million to state and local governments. That comes from taxes, fees and business income. Their website has a lot of information if you are interested.

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    Thanks for the prodding, pmocek. This is exactly the data I seek.

  • Comment on pamela erickson's answer…
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    Pamela: Mr. Levitan indicated that Annie's response does not provide the information he hoped to find, which was the "gross revenue that the state brings in from WSLCB". Can you tell us?

  • Comment on Annie's answer…
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    Annie, were you able to find an answer to Mr. Levitan's question in all the data you cited?

  • Comment on Abdul_Alhazred's answer…
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    Abdul, thank you for pointing out that "Big Beer" is making a separate but complementary argument against I-1100 and I-1105.

    I'm no fan of "Big Beer," but I happen to agree with them that these two initiatives are bad policy. My reasons are in line with those of emergency responders than with Big Beer.

    You can't judge whether an initiative is good policy or not just by the people funding ads on either side. It's a clue to which special interests are served by the initiatives, but that's all.

  • Comment on Annie's answer…
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    The Association of Washington Cities also has quite a bit of info on the liquor initiatives here:

    http://www.awcnet.org/portal/StudioNew.asp?Mode=B1&WebID=1&UID=&MenuActionTypeID=80&MenuActionParm=127&OriginPage=/portal/StudioNew.asp&EDate=

  • Comment on Annie's answer…
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    Thanks for the data, but I am more specifically inquiring on the gross revenue that the state brings in from WSLCB.

  • Comment on lilzilla's answer…
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    Dude, I was just trying to give the original asker something to go on because the question had sat for a couple days with no answer. I did some googling and reading and summed it up in like half an hour. I make no claims to being an expert and I wouldn't be shocked if something I wrote turned out to be wrong.

    Here's another pretty short summary, which is in favor of 1100. http://www.khq.com/Global/story.asp?S=13297413

    Sorry that's not what you were looking for but I hope there's enough info for you in the links I provided; I'm sure you could google around for more info also.

    Cheers

  • Comment on justanotherseattlevoter's answer…
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    It's quite easy to buy and sell beer and wine now. They contain roughly 5 - 15% alcohol. Neither of these initiatives would have any effect on the ease with which those beverages are bought and sold, only others, which contain roughly 30 - 50% alcohol. I don't understand what point you're trying to make, Justanotherseattlevoter. I understand the idea that we, the people, through our elected representatives, are likely to do a better job of regulating the sale of alcohol than a few people who want to sell alcohol for profit will, but we only control a small fraction of it now: only distilled alcohol (not beer and wine), and only when it's packaged to go (not in bars).

  • Comment on lilzilla's answer…
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    Lilzilla, your response was somewhat informative, but kind of a mess. Could you please enumerate the main differences, as you see them? I started to do so based on my reading of your response, but I wasn't able to do so very well:

    1. I-1105 would benefit small liquor stores, breweries, wineries, and distributors more than it would benefit Costco and people who's lives revolve around acquiring inexpensive alcohol, but I-1100 would benefit Costco and the cheap-booze-crazed more than it would benefit small liquor stores, breweries, wineries, and distributors.

    2. I-1100 "mostly makes money from licensing", but I-1105... (You didn't really say; "mostly makes money other ways" or "doesn't make money from licensing" maybe?)

    3. I-1105 would eliminate taxes (on distilled spirits?) but I-1100... (You didn't really say; "leave those taxes in place"?)

    4. I-1105 would direct the WSLCB to devise the new licensing process in a way that will generate at least an additional $100 million in state revenue, but I-1100... (You didn't really say; maybe "would leave those taxes in place")

    Maybe #2, #3, and #4 are really just an explanation of one difference, and you meant only to list two main differences between the initiatives. Could you please clarify?

  • Comment on Halei Watkins's answer…
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    Halei, I'm fairly confident that Budweiser is not a company, just a brand used by Belgian company Anheuser-Busch InBev to identify one of their products: a cheap American-style lager. What shelf space do you expect A-B InBev to buy up if I-1100 and/or I-1105 pass?

    Also, you cited the compliance rate of Washington State liquor stores age restriction on the sales of alcoholic beverages (96%, you claim). What is the compliance rate of private businesses in Washington State? You implied that it will be 75% if those stores are allowed to sell distilled alcohol in addition to the beer and wine they are now allowed to sell, but you didn't cite any statistics regarding what they do now.

  • Comment on Abdul_Alhazred's answer…
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    Abdul, please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Budweiser isn't a company, just a brand used by the Belgian company Anheuser-Busch InBev. Did someone at the October 7, 2010, League of Women Voters of Seattle forum mean to say that Anheuser-Busch InBev is the largest contributor to I-1100 and I-1105?

  • Comment on justanotherseattlevoter's answer…
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    Nonsense. People drinking at home do not drive home drunk. People drinking in bars do. And, for some reason you think bars are capable of selling this "controlled substance", but grocery stores aren't. Are bartenders elected to protect and serve our community? This answer doesn't make any sense at all.

  • Comment on Abdul_Alhazred's answer…
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    Beverage companies are concerned mainly about market access & market share. This is a simple case of increasing the number of outlets and ease of access to Budweiser's competitor's products.

    Are you saying that getting wasted on cheap beer is somehow more virtuous than drinking cocktails?

  • Comment on lilzilla's answer…
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    Well, sorry that I offended you. I think you've read a harsher tone than I intended though, aside from the "shitting us" comment and the snark about 1105, which yeah, were a bit mean. But I wasn't implying the rest of the stuff you read into it there. I mean, I count myself among those who would like cheaper booze; I just find the other side effects of these too high a price. And I agree there are plenty of other benefits to privatization, just, the way these initiatives go about it is not worth it, in my opinion.

    And sure, call me a pessimist, but if 1053 does pass (and yes I will be fighting against it as well) I think it highly unlikely that the legislature would pass new taxes with anything resembling ease or at sufficient rates. Which is why for folks such as yourself who are (as far as I can tell) dead set on voting for privatization, all I ask is that you please vote for 1100 and not 1105.

    Have a good one.

  • Comment on lilzilla's answer…
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    I see. This was a perfectly civil thing to say:

    "1100 is better for Costco and people who care about getting cheap booze above all else (as long as they're willing to go to Costco). Both claim to be good for the state's revenue but are probably shitting us."

    So anybody who wants to privatize liquor sales is in the pocket of big business and just wants to get wasted on cheap booze? And the studies showing an increase in revenue? They're "shitting us".

    So one side gets to make accusations like that and that's all fine. But if I complain, then I'm being uncivil.

    Highly informative process we have here.